Discussion:
Kernel panics and more info
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Dale
2011-07-21 15:53:25 UTC
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I been working on gathering information for this for a while. I just
tried something else. I use the download helper plugin in Firefox to
download videos. Also, it crashes when I am downloading videos but that
is about all I use Firefox for. I had a light bulb moment and decided
to see if the same plugin was available for Seamonkey. It was available
so I installed it. It works the same as in Firefox. So, I closed as
much stuff as I could and started downloading a couple good size
videos. After a few minutes, you guessed it, kernel panic followed by a
reboot. To make sure it was not a fluke or something, I repeated the
process and got the same result.
Dale,
I would suspect the download-helper-plugin as that is common in both the
Firefox and Seamonkey crashes.
Can you provide a link to the plugin you use to allow others to test this to
see if it works for them?
I'm not sure you are right but it is possible. Here is a linky:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-Us/seamonkey/addon/video-downloadhelper/

It's pretty straight forward. I can get a failure by going to youtube
and starting the download of two or three fairly long movies. I usually
middle click and open the video in a new tab. Then start the download
and close the tab. I usually walk off or watch TV while it downloads.
I have the slow DSL here so it takes a bit to download but it usually
crashes in a minute or two. Firefox crashes faster but Seamonkey only
takes a couple minutes or something.

If anyone tests this, let me know if it messes up. I'm on amd64
multilib too. That may have some effect.

Thanks.

Dale

:-) :-)
Dale
2011-07-21 15:46:55 UTC
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I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so
long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use
them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. I
found the link on the xorg site. It wasn't very useful for me. I do
have xf86-video-nv installed tho. I thought that was it. However,
when I change the driver in xorg.conf to nv, no more GUI.
Instead of editing xorg.conf, move it out of the way and let X figure
things out for itself.
You could also try the VESA drivers, slow but reliable.
OK. How do I do the VESA drivers? Honestly, the only trouble I can
recall out of nvidia was upgrading the kernel then rebooting and
realizing I forgot to rebuild against the new kernel. I don't recall
every having anything like this. The biggest GUI problem I can recall
was hal and xorg. Let's not go down that road. < dale starts to steam
Is VESA a kernel option or some package I need to install?
I really want to figure this out but not just for me. Surely I'm not
the only one this has happened to.

Dale

:-) :-)
Neil Bothwick
2011-07-21 18:56:43 UTC
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Post by Dale
You could also try the VESA drivers, slow but reliable.
OK. How do I do the VESA drivers? Honestly, the only trouble I can
recall out of nvidia was upgrading the kernel then rebooting and
realizing I forgot to rebuild against the new kernel. I don't recall
every having anything like this. The biggest GUI problem I can recall
was hal and xorg. Let's not go down that road. < dale starts to steam
Is VESA a kernel option or some package I need to install?
It's the standard video driver, x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa
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Dale
2011-07-21 19:14:11 UTC
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Post by Neil Bothwick
Post by Dale
You could also try the VESA drivers, slow but reliable.
OK. How do I do the VESA drivers? Honestly, the only trouble I can
recall out of nvidia was upgrading the kernel then rebooting and
realizing I forgot to rebuild against the new kernel. I don't recall
every having anything like this. The biggest GUI problem I can recall
was hal and xorg. Let's not go down that road.< dale starts to steam
Is VESA a kernel option or some package I need to install?
It's the standard video driver, x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa
And I change nvidia to vesa or do I need to unmerge nvidia first?
Also, are these done as modules like nvidia is? Hmmm, if I remove
xorg.conf, how does it know which driver to use?

The more I find out, the more questions I have. That's normal tho. lol

Dale

:-) :-)
Neil Bothwick
2011-07-21 19:56:11 UTC
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Post by Dale
Post by Neil Bothwick
It's the standard video driver, x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa
And I change nvidia to vesa or do I need to unmerge nvidia first?
If you keep xorg.conf, change it to use vesa.
Post by Dale
Also, are these done as modules like nvidia is? Hmmm, if I
remove xorg.conf, how does it know which driver to use?
Hardware detection. If you don't use third party drivers, you can usually
do without an xorg.conf.
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Nicolas Sebrecht
2011-07-22 08:22:28 UTC
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Post by Neil Bothwick
Post by Dale
Post by Neil Bothwick
It's the standard video driver, x11-drivers/xf86-video-vesa
And I change nvidia to vesa or do I need to unmerge nvidia first?
If you keep xorg.conf, change it to use vesa.
Or move it to /root.
Post by Neil Bothwick
Post by Dale
Also, are these done as modules like nvidia is? Hmmm, if I
remove xorg.conf, how does it know which driver to use?
Hardware detection. If you don't use third party drivers, you can usually
do without an xorg.conf.
Or just read /var/log/Xorg.0.log after started X.
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Nicolas Sebrecht
Alex Schuster
2011-07-21 19:18:37 UTC
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Post by Dale
I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so
long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use
them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. I
found the link on the xorg site. It wasn't very useful for me. I do
have xf86-video-nv installed tho. I thought that was it. However,
when I change the driver in xorg.conf to nv, no more GUI.
Instead of editing xorg.conf, move it out of the way and let X figure
things out for itself.
You could also try the VESA drivers, slow but reliable.
OK. How do I do the VESA drivers?
Add 'vesa' to your VIDEO_CARDS variable in make.conf, then emerge
-DautvN xorg-drivers. And change the Driver in xorg.conf from 'nvidia'
to 'vesa'.

Wonko
Dale
2011-07-21 20:05:33 UTC
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Post by Alex Schuster
Post by Dale
I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so
long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use
them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. I
found the link on the xorg site. It wasn't very useful for me. I do
have xf86-video-nv installed tho. I thought that was it. However,
when I change the driver in xorg.conf to nv, no more GUI.
Instead of editing xorg.conf, move it out of the way and let X figure
things out for itself.
You could also try the VESA drivers, slow but reliable.
OK. How do I do the VESA drivers?
Add 'vesa' to your VIDEO_CARDS variable in make.conf, then emerge
-DautvN xorg-drivers. And change the Driver in xorg.conf from 'nvidia'
to 'vesa'.
Wonko
Thanks. I remembered after hitting reply to set it in make.conf. I got
some done anyway. I'll report back what blows up. O_O

Dale

:-) :-)
Dale
2011-07-21 20:18:34 UTC
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Post by Dale
Thanks. I remembered after hitting reply to set it in make.conf. I
got some done anyway. I'll report back what blows up. O_O
Dale
:-) :-)
OoooK. That didn't work to well. Using VESA, the screen was ALL messed
up. It was mostly garbage to say it lightly. I also tried the nv
driver again, all I got was a blinking cursor. I don't think it even
tried to do anything.

So, I can't see to do anything with VESA and nv appears to have not had
any smoke to begin with.

Can I shoot it now?

Dale

:-) :-)
David W Noon
2011-07-21 21:59:05 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 15:18:34 -0500, Dale wrote about Re: [gentoo-user]
Post by Dale
OoooK. That didn't work to well. Using VESA, the screen was ALL
messed up. It was mostly garbage to say it lightly. I also tried
the nv driver again, all I got was a blinking cursor. I don't think
it even tried to do anything.
When you switch away from the proprietary drivers you need to do an
eselect opengl to switch the 3D rendering to use Mesa (X.Org 's
library). Thus, to get the nv driver working:

Ensure there is no frame buffer driver loaded by the kernel; **
Update xorg.conf to have the nv driver loaded in a "Device" section;
Update xorg.conf to have the nv Device related to a "Screen" section;
eselect opengl set 2 (or whatever number for Mesa);
/etc/init.d/xdm restart (or reboot, or whatever).

** This is very important! The nv driver does not like any other
driver blowing on the same trumpet at the same time -- it's unhygienic.

I am currently running the nv driver on this box using a very elderly
GeForce2 MX-400 GPU. It runs rather well and isn't discernably slower
than the proprietary driver for most workloads.
Post by Dale
So, I can't see to do anything with VESA and nv appears to have not
had any smoke to begin with.
You should be getting error messages in /var/log/Xorg.0.log if things
are going wrong.
Post by Dale
Can I shoot it now?
Up to you. It wouldn't be legal in this country, as we aren't allowed
to own guns.
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walt
2011-07-21 22:11:58 UTC
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Post by Dale
Using VESA, the screen was ALL
messed up. It was mostly garbage to say it lightly. I also tried
the nv driver again, all I got was a blinking cursor. I don't think
it even tried to do anything.
If you have your opengl set to nvidia, you might try changing it back
to xorg-x11. "eselect opengl list"
Dale
2011-07-21 23:13:41 UTC
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Post by walt
Post by Dale
Using VESA, the screen was ALL
messed up. It was mostly garbage to say it lightly. I also tried
the nv driver again, all I got was a blinking cursor. I don't think
it even tried to do anything.
If you have your opengl set to nvidia, you might try changing it back
to xorg-x11. "eselect opengl list"
Thanks. I'm going to go shoot myself in the foot now. lol Let me go
test this again.

BRB

Dale

:-) :-)
Dale
2011-07-21 23:41:22 UTC
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Post by Dale
Post by walt
Post by Dale
Using VESA, the screen was ALL
messed up. It was mostly garbage to say it lightly. I also tried
the nv driver again, all I got was a blinking cursor. I don't think
it even tried to do anything.
If you have your opengl set to nvidia, you might try changing it back
to xorg-x11. "eselect opengl list"
Thanks. I'm going to go shoot myself in the foot now. lol Let me go
test this again.
BRB
Dale
:-) :-)
I have now. Same thing tho. I tried both vesa and nv. I only have
this to select from tho.

***@fireball / # eselect opengl list
Available OpenGL implementations:
[1] nvidia *
[2] xorg-x11
***@fireball / #

I set it to xorg's but still the same. I even tried logging into KDE
but it was a mess.

Maybe I can just find me a different download tool for Seamonkey. See
if that works any better. Sure would like to nail this down tho.

Dale

:-) :-)
Dale
2011-07-23 15:26:49 UTC
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OK. New theory here. This came about in another thread about the
shiney new kernel, that isn't new by the way. Anyway, look at this crap:

***@fireball / # ls -al /home/dale/
total 640
drwxr-xr-x 61 dale users 2672 Jul 23 10:14 .
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 ..
drwx------ 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .adobe
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 24 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.prepl
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 29 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.pws
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 96 Feb 25 2010 .avidemux
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 48 Feb 7 07:14 backup
-rw------- 1 dale users 3685 Jul 23 01:59 .bash_history
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 127 Dec 8 2008 .bash_logout
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 193 Dec 8 2008 .bash_profile
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 551 Dec 8 2008 .bashrc
drwxr-xr-x 4 dale users 104 Apr 12 10:50 .cache
drwxr-xr-x 10 dale users 256 Jan 2 2010 .cddb
drwx------ 16 dale users 480 Jul 5 00:54 .config
drwx------ 2 dale users 80 Aug 28 2009 .cups
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 263 Jan 25 2009 dalek1967.revoke
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 279 Oct 8 2006 dalek.revoke
drwx------ 3 dale users 80 Dec 11 2008 .dbus
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale ssmtp 20337 Mar 12 16:36 dead.letter
drwx------ 3 dale users 688 Jul 23 05:18 Desktop
-rw------- 1 root root 119 Jun 17 03:03 .directory
-rw------- 1 dale users 24 Jul 18 00:18 .dmrc
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 40 Feb 10 2009 .dolphinview
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 48 Jan 18 2011 Downloads
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 136 Jul 23 02:26 dwhelper
-rw------- 1 dale users 16 Jan 26 2009 .esd_auth
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 7669 Feb 16 2009 .face.icon
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 786 Oct 30 2009 fahback
drwxr-xr-x 6 dale dale2 440 Jul 17 23:49 .fluxbox
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 4912 Jul 18 00:15 .fontconfig
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 152 Dec 11 2008 .fonts
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 530 Feb 21 2010 .fonts.conf
drwx------ 2 dale users 48 Jun 6 23:30 .gconf
drwx------ 2 dale users 80 Jun 10 00:51 .gconfd
drwx------ 4 dale users 96 Mar 29 2009 .gegl-0.0
drwxr-xr-x 22 dale users 984 Jun 28 16:45 .gimp-2.6
drwxrwxr-x 6 dale users 456 Jul 15 03:07 .gkrellm2
drwx------ 3 dale users 72 Sep 28 2009 .gnome2
drwx------ 2 dale users 48 Dec 11 2008 .gnome2_private
drwx------ 3 dale users 592 Jul 23 10:05 .gnupg
drwx------ 6 dale users 296 Jun 6 15:02 .googleearth
drwx------ 2 dale users 72 Dec 25 2008 .gphoto
drwxr-xr-x 5 dale users 208 Mar 26 2010 .gqview
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 128 Jul 8 15:44 .gstreamer-0.10
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 254 Jan 20 2011 .gtk-bookmarks
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 429 Jul 5 13:13 .gtkrc-2.0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 dale dale2 21 Jul 5 13:13 .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 ->
/home/dale/.gtkrc-2.0
drwxr----- 2 dale users 112 Jul 2 19:14 .hplip
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 4364 Jun 17 00:29 .hugin
-rw------- 1 dale users 0 Mar 12 2010 .ICEauthority
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2 72 Mar 15 10:59 .icedtea
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2 136 Jan 24 22:11 .icedteaplugin
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 72 Jul 18 00:15 .icewm
drwxr-xr-x 4 dale dale2 112 Sep 4 2010 .java
drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 568 Jul 8 17:05 .kde4
drwxr-xr-x 6 dale users 568 Dec 13 2010 .kde4.old
drwxr-xr-x 5 dale dale2 120 Jun 26 15:28 kdenlive
-rw------- 1 dale users 521 Jul 19 21:32 .kderc
drwxr--r-- 2 dale dale2 72 Mar 12 16:36 .linuxcounter
drwx------ 3 dale users 152 May 6 2010 .local
drwx------ 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .macromedia
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 72 May 15 2010 .marble
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 112 Dec 11 2008 .mcop
-rw------- 1 dale users 31 Mar 12 2010 .mcoprc
drwx------ 5 dale users 136 Jul 11 02:06 .mozilla
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 88 Jan 2 2009 .mp3splt-gtk
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 96 Dec 12 2009 .mplayer
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2 72 Jan 18 2011 .netx
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 104 Oct 11 2009 .nvclock
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 1204 Jun 6 03:00 .nvidia-settings-rc
drwx------ 3 dale dale2 72 Jun 16 04:14 .ooo3
drwx------ 3 dale users 72 Nov 18 2010 .ooo3.old
drwx------ 10 dale users 992 May 21 2009 .opera
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 80 Jan 9 2009 .porthole
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 172 Feb 12 02:33 .ptbt1
drwx------ 6 dale users 304 Oct 10 2010 .purple
drwxr-xr-x 7 dale users 272 Mar 22 2010 .PySolFC
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 296 Mar 12 2010 .qt
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 280 May 17 2009 rdalek1967.revoke
-rw------- 1 dale users 9131 Jun 16 04:14 .recently-used
drwxr-xr-x 4 dale users 320 Apr 10 16:55 .scribus
drwx------ 2 dale users 48 Dec 8 2008 .ssh
drwx------ 4 dale dale2 96 Jul 22 01:20 .thumbnails
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 72 Feb 21 2010 .tkdvd
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 1147 Feb 11 2010 .tuxcards
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 127 Jun 17 2010 .Wammu
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 48 Jan 24 2009 .wapi
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 59 May 2 02:21 .weather.cfg
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 104 Oct 4 2009 .wireshark
-rw------- 1 dale dale2 716 Jul 23 10:04 .Xauthority
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 80 Jan 25 09:13 .xine
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 7667 Jul 18 00:12 .xscreensaver
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 10017 Jul 17 23:55 .xscreensaver-getimage.cache
-rw------- 1 dale dale2 467445 Jul 23 10:21 .xsession-errors
drwx------ 3 dale users 160 Dec 2 2006 .ymessenger
***@fireball / #

By comparison, check this out for my test user:

***@fireball / # ls -al /home/dale2/
total 73
drwx------ 13 dale2 users 544 Jul 11 01:59 .
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 ..
-rw------- 1 dale2 500 5 Jul 11 01:59 .bash_history
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 127 Apr 18 14:04 .bash_logout
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 193 Apr 18 14:04 .bash_profile
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 551 Apr 18 14:04 .bashrc
drwxr-xr-x 4 dale2 users 128 Jul 5 12:28 .config
drwx------ 3 dale2 users 80 May 8 11:55 .dbus
drwx------ 2 dale2 users 144 May 8 11:55 Desktop
-rw------- 1 dale2 users 24 Jul 6 22:18 .dmrc
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale2 500 112 Jul 5 15:59 .fontconfig
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale2 500 88 Jul 11 01:51 .gstreamer-0.10
drwxr----- 2 dale2 users 112 Jul 5 15:59 .hplip
drwxr-xr-x 4 dale2 users 200 Jul 5 12:16 .kde4
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale2 users 72 May 8 11:55 .local
drwx------ 5 dale2 500 136 Jul 11 01:56 .mozilla
drwx------ 2 dale2 users 48 Apr 18 14:04 .ssh
drwx------ 3 dale2 500 72 Jul 5 12:21 .thumbnails
-rw------- 1 dale2 500 0 Jul 11 01:59 .Xauthority
-rw------- 1 dale2 500 50596 Jul 11 01:59 .xsession-errors
***@fireball / #


Why are some using the group users and others using my test user dale2?
I don't think I have a group dale2. Could this be the cause? What
exactly tells Linux to give those permissions? I looked around in /etc
for some file that would set this but I can't find anything.

Even if this isn't the cause, how do I go about fixing this?

Dale

:-) :-)
Mark Shields
2011-07-23 16:16:00 UTC
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OK. New theory here. This came about in another thread about the shiney
total 640
drwxr-xr-x 61 dale users 2672 Jul 23 10:14 .
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 ..
drwx------ 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .adobe
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 24 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.prepl
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 29 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.pws
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 96 Feb 25 2010 .avidemux
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 48 Feb 7 07:14 backup
-rw------- 1 dale users 3685 Jul 23 01:59 .bash_history
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 127 Dec 8 2008 .bash_logout
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 193 Dec 8 2008 .bash_profile
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 551 Dec 8 2008 .bashrc
drwxr-xr-x 4 dale users 104 Apr 12 10:50 .cache
drwxr-xr-x 10 dale users 256 Jan 2 2010 .cddb
drwx------ 16 dale users 480 Jul 5 00:54 .config
drwx------ 2 dale users 80 Aug 28 2009 .cups
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 263 Jan 25 2009 dalek1967.revoke
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 279 Oct 8 2006 dalek.revoke
drwx------ 3 dale users 80 Dec 11 2008 .dbus
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale ssmtp 20337 Mar 12 16:36 dead.letter
drwx------ 3 dale users 688 Jul 23 05:18 Desktop
-rw------- 1 root root 119 Jun 17 03:03 .directory
-rw------- 1 dale users 24 Jul 18 00:18 .dmrc
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 40 Feb 10 2009 .dolphinview
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 48 Jan 18 2011 Downloads
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 136 Jul 23 02:26 dwhelper
-rw------- 1 dale users 16 Jan 26 2009 .esd_auth
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 7669 Feb 16 2009 .face.icon
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 786 Oct 30 2009 fahback
drwxr-xr-x 6 dale dale2 440 Jul 17 23:49 .fluxbox
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 4912 Jul 18 00:15 .fontconfig
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 152 Dec 11 2008 .fonts
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 530 Feb 21 2010 .fonts.conf
drwx------ 2 dale users 48 Jun 6 23:30 .gconf
drwx------ 2 dale users 80 Jun 10 00:51 .gconfd
drwx------ 4 dale users 96 Mar 29 2009 .gegl-0.0
drwxr-xr-x 22 dale users 984 Jun 28 16:45 .gimp-2.6
drwxrwxr-x 6 dale users 456 Jul 15 03:07 .gkrellm2
drwx------ 3 dale users 72 Sep 28 2009 .gnome2
drwx------ 2 dale users 48 Dec 11 2008 .gnome2_private
drwx------ 3 dale users 592 Jul 23 10:05 .gnupg
drwx------ 6 dale users 296 Jun 6 15:02 .googleearth
drwx------ 2 dale users 72 Dec 25 2008 .gphoto
drwxr-xr-x 5 dale users 208 Mar 26 2010 .gqview
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 128 Jul 8 15:44 .gstreamer-0.10
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 254 Jan 20 2011 .gtk-bookmarks
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 429 Jul 5 13:13 .gtkrc-2.0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 dale dale2 21 Jul 5 13:13 .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 ->
/home/dale/.gtkrc-2.0
drwxr----- 2 dale users 112 Jul 2 19:14 .hplip
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 4364 Jun 17 00:29 .hugin
-rw------- 1 dale users 0 Mar 12 2010 .ICEauthority
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2 72 Mar 15 10:59 .icedtea
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2 136 Jan 24 22:11 .icedteaplugin
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale dale2 72 Jul 18 00:15 .icewm
drwxr-xr-x 4 dale dale2 112 Sep 4 2010 .java
drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 568 Jul 8 17:05 .kde4
drwxr-xr-x 6 dale users 568 Dec 13 2010 .kde4.old
drwxr-xr-x 5 dale dale2 120 Jun 26 15:28 kdenlive
-rw------- 1 dale users 521 Jul 19 21:32 .kderc
drwxr--r-- 2 dale dale2 72 Mar 12 16:36 .linuxcounter
drwx------ 3 dale users 152 May 6 2010 .local
drwx------ 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .macromedia
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 72 May 15 2010 .marble
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 112 Dec 11 2008 .mcop
-rw------- 1 dale users 31 Mar 12 2010 .mcoprc
drwx------ 5 dale users 136 Jul 11 02:06 .mozilla
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 88 Jan 2 2009 .mp3splt-gtk
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 96 Dec 12 2009 .mplayer
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale dale2 72 Jan 18 2011 .netx
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 104 Oct 11 2009 .nvclock
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 1204 Jun 6 03:00 .nvidia-settings-rc
drwx------ 3 dale dale2 72 Jun 16 04:14 .ooo3
drwx------ 3 dale users 72 Nov 18 2010 .ooo3.old
drwx------ 10 dale users 992 May 21 2009 .opera
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 80 Jan 9 2009 .porthole
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 172 Feb 12 02:33 .ptbt1
drwx------ 6 dale users 304 Oct 10 2010 .purple
drwxr-xr-x 7 dale users 272 Mar 22 2010 .PySolFC
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 296 Mar 12 2010 .qt
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 280 May 17 2009 rdalek1967.revoke
-rw------- 1 dale users 9131 Jun 16 04:14 .recently-used
drwxr-xr-x 4 dale users 320 Apr 10 16:55 .scribus
drwx------ 2 dale users 48 Dec 8 2008 .ssh
drwx------ 4 dale dale2 96 Jul 22 01:20 .thumbnails
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 72 Feb 21 2010 .tkdvd
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 1147 Feb 11 2010 .tuxcards
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 127 Jun 17 2010 .Wammu
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 48 Jan 24 2009 .wapi
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 59 May 2 02:21 .weather.cfg
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 104 Oct 4 2009 .wireshark
-rw------- 1 dale dale2 716 Jul 23 10:04 .Xauthority
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale users 80 Jan 25 09:13 .xine
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 7667 Jul 18 00:12 .xscreensaver
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale dale2 10017 Jul 17 23:55 .xscreensaver-getimage.cache
-rw------- 1 dale dale2 467445 Jul 23 10:21 .xsession-errors
drwx------ 3 dale users 160 Dec 2 2006 .ymessenger
total 73
drwx------ 13 dale2 users 544 Jul 11 01:59 .
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 ..
-rw------- 1 dale2 500 5 Jul 11 01:59 .bash_history
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 127 Apr 18 14:04 .bash_logout
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 193 Apr 18 14:04 .bash_profile
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 551 Apr 18 14:04 .bashrc
drwxr-xr-x 4 dale2 users 128 Jul 5 12:28 .config
drwx------ 3 dale2 users 80 May 8 11:55 .dbus
drwx------ 2 dale2 users 144 May 8 11:55 Desktop
-rw------- 1 dale2 users 24 Jul 6 22:18 .dmrc
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale2 500 112 Jul 5 15:59 .fontconfig
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale2 500 88 Jul 11 01:51 .gstreamer-0.10
drwxr----- 2 dale2 users 112 Jul 5 15:59 .hplip
drwxr-xr-x 4 dale2 users 200 Jul 5 12:16 .kde4
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale2 users 72 May 8 11:55 .local
drwx------ 5 dale2 500 136 Jul 11 01:56 .mozilla
drwx------ 2 dale2 users 48 Apr 18 14:04 .ssh
drwx------ 3 dale2 500 72 Jul 5 12:21 .thumbnails
-rw------- 1 dale2 500 0 Jul 11 01:59 .Xauthority
-rw------- 1 dale2 500 50596 Jul 11 01:59 .xsession-errors
Why are some using the group users and others using my test user dale2? I
don't think I have a group dale2. Could this be the cause? What exactly
tells Linux to give those permissions? I looked around in /etc for some
file that would set this but I can't find anything.
Even if this isn't the cause, how do I go about fixing this?
Dale
:-) :-)
The group shows instead of the GID, meaning the group is most definitely on
your PC. You may want to check/change your primary group for dale. You can
do this with:

usermod -g users dale

Then update the permissions on the files:

chown -vR dale:users/home/dale/*

You may want to backup your home directory first.
Dale
2011-07-24 12:46:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dale
OK. New theory here. This came about in another thread about the
<<< SNIP >>>
Why are some using the group users and others using my test user
dale2? I don't think I have a group dale2. Could this be the
cause? What exactly tells Linux to give those permissions? I
looked around in /etc for some file that would set this but I
can't find anything.
Even if this isn't the cause, how do I go about fixing this?
Dale
:-) :-)
The group shows instead of the GID, meaning the group is most
definitely on your PC. You may want to check/change your primary
usermod -g users dale
chown -vR dale:users/home/dale/*
You may want to backup your home directory first.
I got it fixed and this helped a lot. I also took the backup advice to,
just in case. ;-)

Thanks much.

Dale

:-) :-)
Alex Schuster
2011-07-23 16:27:54 UTC
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Post by Dale
OK. New theory here. This came about in another thread about the
total 640
drwxr-xr-x 61 dale users 2672 Jul 23 10:14 .
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 ..
drwx------ 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .adobe
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 24 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.prepl
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 29 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.pws
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 96 Feb 25 2010 .avidemux
[...]
Post by Dale
total 73
drwx------ 13 dale2 users 544 Jul 11 01:59 .
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 ..
-rw------- 1 dale2 500 5 Jul 11 01:59 .bash_history
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 127 Apr 18 14:04 .bash_logout
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 193 Apr 18 14:04 .bash_profile
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 551 Apr 18 14:04 .bashrc
drwxr-xr-x 4 dale2 users 128 Jul 5 12:28 .config
drwx------ 3 dale2 users 80 May 8 11:55 .dbus
drwx------ 2 dale2 users 144 May 8 11:55 Desktop
-rw------- 1 dale2 users 24 Jul 6 22:18 .dmrc
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale2 500 112 Jul 5 15:59 .fontconfig
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale2 500 88 Jul 11 01:51 .gstreamer-0.10
drwxr----- 2 dale2 users 112 Jul 5 15:59 .hplip
drwxr-xr-x 4 dale2 users 200 Jul 5 12:16 .kde4
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale2 users 72 May 8 11:55 .local
drwx------ 5 dale2 500 136 Jul 11 01:56 .mozilla
drwx------ 2 dale2 users 48 Apr 18 14:04 .ssh
drwx------ 3 dale2 500 72 Jul 5 12:21 .thumbnails
-rw------- 1 dale2 500 0 Jul 11 01:59 .Xauthority
-rw------- 1 dale2 500 50596 Jul 11 01:59 .xsession-errors
Why are some using the group users and others using my test user dale2?
And what is group 500? Did you use your $HOME directory from another OS maybe?
Post by Dale
I don't think I have a group dale2. Could this be the cause?
You have the group, or else it would not be shown by ls. But you once group,
which is only known by its GID 500 now.
You can check your IDs with the 'id <user>' command.
Post by Dale
What
exactly tells Linux to give those permissions? I looked around in /etc
for some file that would set this but I can't find anything.
Normally, files are created with your primary group. The one that is in the
fourth column of your user in /etc/passwd, you set it with usermod -g.
Post by Dale
Even if this isn't the cause, how do I go about fixing this?
If you never intended to use different groups at all, chgrp -R users $HOME
should do the trick. But I doubt it has anything to do with your kernel
panics.

Wonko
Dale
2011-07-23 16:48:16 UTC
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Post by Alex Schuster
Post by Dale
OK. New theory here. This came about in another thread about the
total 640
drwxr-xr-x 61 dale users 2672 Jul 23 10:14 .
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 ..
drwx------ 3 dale dale2 80 Sep 3 2010 .adobe
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 24 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.prepl
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale users 29 Apr 10 16:40 .aspell.en.pws
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale users 96 Feb 25 2010 .avidemux
[...]
Post by Dale
total 73
drwx------ 13 dale2 users 544 Jul 11 01:59 .
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 ..
-rw------- 1 dale2 500 5 Jul 11 01:59 .bash_history
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 127 Apr 18 14:04 .bash_logout
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 193 Apr 18 14:04 .bash_profile
-rw-r--r-- 1 dale2 users 551 Apr 18 14:04 .bashrc
drwxr-xr-x 4 dale2 users 128 Jul 5 12:28 .config
drwx------ 3 dale2 users 80 May 8 11:55 .dbus
drwx------ 2 dale2 users 144 May 8 11:55 Desktop
-rw------- 1 dale2 users 24 Jul 6 22:18 .dmrc
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale2 500 112 Jul 5 15:59 .fontconfig
drwxr-xr-x 2 dale2 500 88 Jul 11 01:51 .gstreamer-0.10
drwxr----- 2 dale2 users 112 Jul 5 15:59 .hplip
drwxr-xr-x 4 dale2 users 200 Jul 5 12:16 .kde4
drwxr-xr-x 3 dale2 users 72 May 8 11:55 .local
drwx------ 5 dale2 500 136 Jul 11 01:56 .mozilla
drwx------ 2 dale2 users 48 Apr 18 14:04 .ssh
drwx------ 3 dale2 500 72 Jul 5 12:21 .thumbnails
-rw------- 1 dale2 500 0 Jul 11 01:59 .Xauthority
-rw------- 1 dale2 500 50596 Jul 11 01:59 .xsession-errors
Why are some using the group users and others using my test user dale2?
And what is group 500? Did you use your $HOME directory from another OS maybe?
I did copy a couple directories from the old install, emails and such,
but most everything was done fresh when I installed Gentoo on this rig.
I tend to let the permissions stay as they are. I do change some
permissions on my /data directory sometimes tho. Usually to prevent me
from doing something accidentally you know.

I have no idea what group 500 is or where it came from. That is one
goooooood question.
Post by Alex Schuster
Post by Dale
I don't think I have a group dale2. Could this be the cause?
You have the group, or else it would not be shown by ls. But you once group,
which is only known by its GID 500 now.
You can check your IDs with the 'id<user>' command.
Post by Dale
What
exactly tells Linux to give those permissions? I looked around in /etc
for some file that would set this but I can't find anything.
Normally, files are created with your primary group. The one that is in the
fourth column of your user in /etc/passwd, you set it with usermod -g.
That had 500 in it for the group. I guess that is how that happened but
no idea how it got set that way. It's fixed now tho.
Post by Alex Schuster
Post by Dale
Even if this isn't the cause, how do I go about fixing this?
If you never intended to use different groups at all, chgrp -R users $HOME
should do the trick. But I doubt it has anything to do with your kernel
panics.
Wonko
It may not but while I am grasping at straws, I'll get this fixed too.

Thanks for the reply. I got some of this sorted out now.

Dale

:-) :-)
Dale
2011-07-23 17:52:49 UTC
Permalink
I think I typed in something wrong and sort of made a mess of it. I had
to copy a backup file for group and passwd to get things working again.
Here is what I have right now:

***@fireball / # cat /etc/passwd
root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
bin:x:1:1:bin:/bin:/bin/false
daemon:x:2:2:daemon:/sbin:/bin/false
adm:x:3:4:adm:/var/adm:/bin/false
lp:x:4:7:lp:/var/spool/lpd:/bin/false
sync:x:5:0:sync:/sbin:/bin/sync
shutdown:x:6:0:shutdown:/sbin:/sbin/shutdown
halt:x:7:0:halt:/sbin:/sbin/halt
mail:x:8:12:mail:/var/spool/mail:/bin/false
news:x:9:13:news:/usr/lib/news:/bin/false
uucp:x:10:14:uucp:/var/spool/uucppublic:/bin/false
operator:x:11:0:operator:/root:/bin/bash
man:x:13:15:man:/usr/share/man:/bin/false
postmaster:x:14:12:postmaster:/var/spool/mail:/bin/false
portage:x:250:250:portage:/var/tmp/portage:/bin/false
nobody:x:65534:65534:nobody:/:/bin/false
sshd:x:22:22:added by portage for openssh:/var/empty:/sbin/nologin
messagebus:x:101:199:added by portage for dbus:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin
avahi:x:102:197:added by portage for avahi:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin
mysql:x:60:60:added by portage for mysql:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin
ldap:x:439:439:added by portage for
openldap:/usr/lib64/openldap:/sbin/nologin
cron:x:16:16:added by portage for cronbase:/var/spool/cron:/sbin/nologin
uptimed:x:103:102:added by portage for uptimed:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin
ntp:x:123:123:added by portage for ntp:/var/empty:/sbin/nologin
games:x:36:35:added by portage for gnugo:/usr/games:/bin/bash
haldaemon:x:104:101:added by portage for hal:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin
dale:x:1000:1000::/home/dale:/bin/bash
gkrellmd:x:105:997:added by portage for gkrellm:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin
hsqldb:x:106:996:added by portage for hsqldb:/dev/null:/bin/sh
kdm:x:107:995:added by portage for kdm:/var/lib/kdm-4.5:/sbin/nologin
nut:x:84:84:added by portage for nut:/var/lib/nut:/sbin/nologin
polkituser:x:108:994:added by portage for polkit:/dev/null:/sbin/nologin
dale2:x:1001:500::/home/dale2:/bin/bash
***@fireball / # cat /etc/group <<<<<<<<<<<<<< NEW INFO ALERT
root::0:root
bin::1:root,bin,daemon
daemon::2:root,bin,daemon
sys::3:root,bin,adm
adm::4:root,adm,daemon
tty::5:dale,dale2
disk::6:root,adm
lp::7:lp,dale,dale2
mem::8:
kmem::9:
wheel::10:root,dale,dale2
floppy::11:root,dale
mail::12:mail
news::13:news
uucp::14:uucp,nut,dale,dale2
man::15:man
console::17:
audio::18:dale,dale2
cdrom::19:dale,dale2
dialout::20:root,dale,dale2
tape::26:root
video::27:root,dale,dale2
cdrw::80:dale,dale2
usb::85:dale,dale2
users::100:games,dale,dale2
nofiles:x:200:
smmsp:x:209:smmsp
portage::250:portage
utmp:x:406:dale,dale2
nogroup::65533:
nobody::65534:
sshd:x:22:
messagebus:x:199:
netdev:x:198:
avahi:x:197:
lpadmin:x:106:dale
mysql:x:60:
ldap:x:439:
cron:x:16:
locate:x:105:
ssmtp:x:104:
crontab:x:103:
uptimed:x:102:
ntp:x:123:
games:x:35:dale,dale2
plugdev:x:999:dale,dale2
scanner:x:998:dale2
dale:x:1100:
gkrellmd:x:997:
hsqldb:x:996:
kdm:x:995:dale2
nut:x:84:nut,dale,uucp
polkituser:x:994:dale,dale2
wireshark:x:993:dale,dale2
dale2:x:1000:
***@fireball / #

What I would like to do is get rid of things that shouldn't be there.
It appears I have a group or two that shouldn't exist. I guess anyway.
I know about groupdel but want to make sure before I actually do
anything AGAIN. When I did this a few minutes ago, kdm would let me
login until I restored group and passwd.

Should I have a group called dale and dale2? Those are my users. dale
is my main account and dale2 is for when I need to test a clean account.

Does anyone see anything else that needs fixin here?

Thanks much.

Dale

:-) :-)
Neil Bothwick
2011-07-21 14:08:50 UTC
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I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so
long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use
them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. I
found the link on the xorg site. It wasn't very useful for me. I do
have xf86-video-nv installed tho. I thought that was it. However,
when I change the driver in xorg.conf to nv, no more GUI.
Instead of editing xorg.conf, move it out of the way and let X figure
things out for itself.

You could also try the VESA drivers, slow but reliable.
--
Neil Bothwick

Top Oxymorons Number 2: Exact estimate
Dale
2011-07-21 11:41:31 UTC
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Here we go again. New thread, same problem. I'm compiling info over a
[...]
Right now, just look over my info, see if you see anything insane there
and if not, recommend something I can use besides flash. Maybe some
third party thing that works reasonably well. If youtube works, I
should be good to go since the sites I go to are using the same thing,
some even source youtube.
I'd also try other video drivers, like nouveau or nv. I think you did not do
this yet, sorry if I just overlooked it. They may not work as well as the
nvidia-drivers for you, but this way you can rule out the video drivers, or
confirm it has something to do with them. I still suspect they are the
cause, and there is an obscure bug that only Firefox triggers.
Oh, and have you tried firefox-bin already?
Wonko
I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so long
since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use them. I'm
not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. I found the
link on the xorg site. It wasn't very useful for me. I do have
xf86-video-nv installed tho. I thought that was it. However, when I
change the driver in xorg.conf to nv, no more GUI. That always worked
in the past. Can you give me a light bulb moment here? ;-) I may be
missing something obvious.

As for Firefox-bin, I'm not sure that would help Seamonkey. I could try
it but not sure how that would help. Seamonkey would still crash. Now
that I have the same tool I was using in Firefox, I'll most likely get
rid of Firefox. The download helper was the only reason I was using
Firefox.

Thanks.

Dale

:-) :-)
Nicolas Sebrecht
2011-07-21 13:08:44 UTC
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I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so
long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use
them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo.
Try VESA.
As for Firefox-bin, I'm not sure that would help Seamonkey. I could
try it but not sure how that would help. Seamonkey would still
crash. Now that I have the same tool I was using in Firefox, I'll
most likely get rid of Firefox. The download helper was the only
reason I was using Firefox.
A book writer would say: "when my system crash, I'm always using my
text editor; so my editor makes the system crash".

I'm not telling the root cause you suspect is not the real cause but
that it is NOT likely to be the real cause in the first place.
--
Nicolas Sebrecht
Nicolas Sebrecht
2011-07-22 08:31:57 UTC
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Post by Nicolas Sebrecht
I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so
long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use
them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo.
Try VESA.
I would suspect the NIC driver, too. I've seen a lot of people touched
by a r8169 bug freezing the kernel on large downloads, recently.
--
Nicolas Sebrecht
Dale
2011-07-22 15:54:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nicolas Sebrecht
Post by Nicolas Sebrecht
I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so
long since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use
them. I'm not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo.
Try VESA.
I would suspect the NIC driver, too. I've seen a lot of people touched
by a r8169 bug freezing the kernel on large downloads, recently.
Just picking a post to reply here and it may have a good point. I was
browsing around to see what software I had for my UPS. I thought I
would download the thing, untar it and just check out the README file to
see what would be involved in installing it on my rig. It was a tarball
so nothing video related or flash related either. It also didn't use
the little download helper tool I been using either. I clicked on the
link to download and the window popped up to ask me whether to open it
or save it. I selected to save it as I have done countless times
before. As soon as I clicked that, the window popped up asking where to
save it to then kernel panic. This was in Seamonkey.

Could this be a network card/driver issue? I have had no problems so
far with emerge downloading anything from the command line. I'm going
to test this by deleting the tarballs for OOo and then fetching them
again. If it doesn't crash, then maybe it is something related to HOW
Seamonkey and Firefox access the net. If it does crash, then maybe I
need a new network card.

Thoughts? Going to go run my test now.

Dale

:-) :-)
Nicolas Sebrecht
2011-07-22 16:52:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dale
Just picking a post to reply here and it may have a good point. I
was browsing around to see what software I had for my UPS. I
thought I would download the thing, untar it and just check out the
README file to see what would be involved in installing it on my
rig. It was a tarball so nothing video related or flash related
either. It also didn't use the little download helper tool I been
using either. I clicked on the link to download and the window
popped up to ask me whether to open it or save it. I selected to
save it as I have done countless times before. As soon as I clicked
that, the window popped up asking where to save it to then kernel
panic. This was in Seamonkey.
Could this be a network card/driver issue? I have had no problems
so far with emerge downloading anything from the command line. I'm
going to test this by deleting the tarballs for OOo and then
fetching them again. If it doesn't crash, then maybe it is
something related to HOW Seamonkey and Firefox access the net. If
it does crash, then maybe I need a new network card.
I can't believe any userland tool like a navigator could make the whole
system crash. It's much deeper than that in the system. Again, it's
likely to be a driver issue.

You could test your network card by doing a lot of traffic on it (on the
LAN to give you better chance to catch any issue), X stopped.

Next, you could test X (even mouse and keyboard) by playing some games
or whatever you don't do usual.

But at *FIRST* as it looks like you didn't do it yet, you have to

_check your logs_.
--
Nicolas Sebrecht
Dale
2011-07-22 17:22:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nicolas Sebrecht
Post by Dale
Just picking a post to reply here and it may have a good point. I
was browsing around to see what software I had for my UPS. I
thought I would download the thing, untar it and just check out the
README file to see what would be involved in installing it on my
rig. It was a tarball so nothing video related or flash related
either. It also didn't use the little download helper tool I been
using either. I clicked on the link to download and the window
popped up to ask me whether to open it or save it. I selected to
save it as I have done countless times before. As soon as I clicked
that, the window popped up asking where to save it to then kernel
panic. This was in Seamonkey.
Could this be a network card/driver issue? I have had no problems
so far with emerge downloading anything from the command line. I'm
going to test this by deleting the tarballs for OOo and then
fetching them again. If it doesn't crash, then maybe it is
something related to HOW Seamonkey and Firefox access the net. If
it does crash, then maybe I need a new network card.
I can't believe any userland tool like a navigator could make the whole
system crash. It's much deeper than that in the system. Again, it's
likely to be a driver issue.
You could test your network card by doing a lot of traffic on it (on the
LAN to give you better chance to catch any issue), X stopped.
Next, you could test X (even mouse and keyboard) by playing some games
or whatever you don't do usual.
But at *FIRST* as it looks like you didn't do it yet, you have to
_check your logs_.
That is what I have been trying to figure out. Right now, I just know
that Seamonkey and Firefox causes a kernel panic when I try to download
something. I have said many times before that I don't think it is
Seamonkey or Firefox itself but something they both use or load that is
in common with each other. I don't think it is KDE either since it does
the same in Fluxbox.

I have looked at the logs I know of and I don't see anything in there
about this. It is mostly about things loading and such. It seems the
log is not going to help me to much on this one. I guess when it
panics, it doesn't log anything first.

As I posted in another reply, I deleted everything related to OOo source
tarballs. It was about 400Mbs or so. I run emerge in a Konsole as
root. It has been downloading for a while now with no problems at all.
It is almost finished with the download.

So, when Seamonkey or Firefox try to download something, besides the web
pages itself, I get a kernel panic. Is this weird or what?

Dale

:-) :-)
YoYo Siska
2011-07-23 11:11:09 UTC
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On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 12:22:32PM -0500, Dale wrote:
...
Post by Dale
Post by Dale
using either. I clicked on the link to download and the window
popped up to ask me whether to open it or save it. I selected to
save it as I have done countless times before. As soon as I clicked
that, the window popped up asking where to save it to then kernel
panic. This was in Seamonkey.
...
Post by Dale
So, when Seamonkey or Firefox try to download something, besides the
web pages itself, I get a kernel panic. Is this weird or what?
BTW, as any other browser (well, new enough..), firefox starts
downloading as soon as you click on a link (ie, it dowloads it while you
are choosing where to save it, so that by the time you choose the
dir/filename, smaller files are allready downloaded ;).
You can easilly see this if you have some kind of network traffic monitoring
widget/applet/app...
I guess it starts to download it to a temp file, than moves it to the
file you choose (never looked into it)... so the problem would be most
likely in that operation..

yoyo
Dale
2011-07-23 14:45:07 UTC
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Post by YoYo Siska
...
Post by Dale
Post by Dale
using either. I clicked on the link to download and the window
popped up to ask me whether to open it or save it. I selected to
save it as I have done countless times before. As soon as I clicked
that, the window popped up asking where to save it to then kernel
panic. This was in Seamonkey.
...
Post by Dale
So, when Seamonkey or Firefox try to download something, besides the
web pages itself, I get a kernel panic. Is this weird or what?
BTW, as any other browser (well, new enough..), firefox starts
downloading as soon as you click on a link (ie, it dowloads it while you
are choosing where to save it, so that by the time you choose the
dir/filename, smaller files are allready downloaded ;).
You can easilly see this if you have some kind of network traffic monitoring
widget/applet/app...
I guess it starts to download it to a temp file, than moves it to the
file you choose (never looked into it)... so the problem would be most
likely in that operation..
yoyo
I have noticed that too. You are correct that that is how it is done.
I have had some smaller files that by the time I pick where to put it,
it is already downloaded.

I just find it downright odd that a browser causes a panic because of a
download when other programs, like emerge, can download just fine.

I just had a thought. I'm going to use Konqueror to download a tarball
and see if that fails. If that works, I don't know what to think really
but if it fails, maybe something is off on my /tmp directory or
something. Does this look normal:

***@fireball / # ls -al /
total 36
drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 616 Jul 19 11:22 .
drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 616 Jul 19 11:22 ..
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 2632 Jul 8 07:12 bin
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 1024 Jul 23 01:20 boot
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 80 Jul 16 03:02 .config
drwxr-xr-x 52 dale users 2752 Jun 23 01:16 data
drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4480 Jul 23 05:19 dev
drwxr-xr-x 78 root root 4704 Jul 23 05:28 etc
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 208 Jun 17 03:01 home
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Jul 13 21:14 lib -> lib64
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 3704 Jul 13 21:14 lib32
drwxr-xr-x 13 root root 4464 Jul 13 21:14 lib64
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 88 Jul 10 18:17 media
drwxr-xr-x 7 root root 192 Jan 5 2011 mnt
drwxr-xr-x 80 root root 4688 Jun 17 04:35 old-etc
drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 200 Jul 8 21:15 opt
dr-xr-xr-x 162 root root 0 Jul 23 05:18 proc
drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 80 Jun 18 17:23 Resources
drwx------ 28 root root 3568 Jul 23 05:34 root
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4880 Jul 13 21:14 sbin
drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 0 Jul 23 05:18 sys
drwxrwxrwt 7 root root 304 Jul 23 09:35 tmp
drwxr-xr-x 16 root root 472 Feb 8 17:25 usr
drwxr-xr-x 15 root root 4096 Jul 8 03:11 var
***@fireball / #

How about this for the content of /tmp:

***@fireball / # ls -al /tmp/
total 25
drwxrwxrwt 9 root root 424 Jul 23 09:40 .
drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 616 Jul 19 11:22 ..
drwx------ 2 dale dale2 120 Jul 23 05:28 akonadi-dale.GkYTTP
drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 72 Jul 23 05:28 .ICE-unix
drwx------ 3 dale dale2 320 Jul 23 05:28 kde-dale
drwx------ 3 root root 112 Jul 23 09:38 kde-root
drwx------ 2 dale dale2 264 Jul 23 09:38 ksocket-dale
drwx------ 2 root root 128 Jul 23 09:39 ksocket-root
-rw------- 1 dale dale2 5284 Jul 23 09:40 nscopy.tmp
-rw------- 1 dale dale2 5022 Jul 23 09:40 nsemail.eml
srwxr-xr-x 1 dale dale2 0 Jul 23 05:29 virt_1111
-rw------- 1 dale dale2 947 Jul 23 05:28 virtuoso_ZT3609.ini
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 11 Jul 23 05:19 .X0-lock
drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 72 Jul 23 05:19 .X11-unix
***@fireball / #


Shouldn't kde-dale be owned by me but have user(s) as the group? The
user dale2 is my clean login that I use to test things with. I'm going
to logout and then clean that directory and see what it creates when I
log back in again.

Thoughts on this?

Dale

:-) :-)
Willie Wong
2011-07-23 17:53:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dale
Post by YoYo Siska
I guess it starts to download it to a temp file, than moves it to the
file you choose (never looked into it)... so the problem would be most
likely in that operation..
I just find it downright odd that a browser causes a panic because
of a download when other programs, like emerge, can download just
fine.
Dale, what YoYo meant was precisely that: emerge gets files using wget
(unless you configured it otherwise) which writes directly to the
directory, whereas Firefox would first download something to (I guess)
/tmp and (according to YoYo) write it to the "correct" name/directory
once you give it to the browser. So YoYo is suspecting that it is this
move of the file from /tmp (or whereever) to your download directory
that is giving the kernel panic.

BTW, you mentioned that this happened after a power-outage. Have you
completely checked your disks and filesystem's health?

W
--
Willie W. Wong ***@math.princeton.edu
Data aequatione quotcunque fluentes quantitae involvente fluxiones invenire
et vice versa ~~~ I. Newton
Dale
2011-07-23 18:45:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Willie Wong
Post by Dale
Post by YoYo Siska
I guess it starts to download it to a temp file, than moves it to the
file you choose (never looked into it)... so the problem would be most
likely in that operation..
I just find it downright odd that a browser causes a panic because
of a download when other programs, like emerge, can download just
fine.
Dale, what YoYo meant was precisely that: emerge gets files using wget
(unless you configured it otherwise) which writes directly to the
directory, whereas Firefox would first download something to (I guess)
/tmp and (according to YoYo) write it to the "correct" name/directory
once you give it to the browser. So YoYo is suspecting that it is this
move of the file from /tmp (or whereever) to your download directory
that is giving the kernel panic.
BTW, you mentioned that this happened after a power-outage. Have you
completely checked your disks and filesystem's health?
W
I understand what he was saying and I already knew it done it that way.
I posted that in a reply somewhere. It does the initial part to /tmp
until you tell it otherwise, then it goes there. I can't recall it not
being that way. It's just hard for me to believe that Firefox or
Seamonkey downloading some file would cause a kernel panic like this.
This just isn't like Linux.

I think the power outage was a coincidence at this point. That said, I
have tested all sorts of things including running memtest. Hardware
wise, everything seems fine. I also blew out the dust bunnies which was
not much. I generally do this about every month or so.

Just hoping some update will change things, eventually.

Dale

:-) :-)
Peter Humphrey
2011-07-23 19:21:08 UTC
Permalink
I have tested all sorts of things including running memtest.
Which version? The latest in Gentoo predates the introduction of "support"
(whatever that is) for the i-5 and i-7 CPUs. That was version 4.19 if I
remember aright. You can get the latest version from www.memtest.org.

It may make no difference, but you might as well use the latest version, no?
--
Rgds
Peter Linux Counter number 5290
Dale
2011-07-23 19:46:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Humphrey
I have tested all sorts of things including running memtest.
Which version? The latest in Gentoo predates the introduction of "support"
(whatever that is) for the i-5 and i-7 CPUs. That was version 4.19 if I
remember aright. You can get the latest version from www.memtest.org.
It may make no difference, but you might as well use the latest version, no?
I downloaded the latest systemrescue and used it. Also, I have a AMD
CPU. Just not a Intel guy.

Dale

:-) :-)
Peter Humphrey
2011-07-23 20:00:58 UTC
Permalink
I have a AMD CPU. Just not a Intel guy.
Oh, sorry. My mistake.
--
Rgds
Peter Linux Counter number 5290
Dale
2011-07-23 20:09:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Humphrey
I have a AMD CPU. Just not a Intel guy.
Oh, sorry. My mistake.
No problem. If you hadn't mentioned it, I would have been sitting on
one that the test don't work on. lol

Dale

:-) :-)
Dale
2011-07-24 10:47:13 UTC
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Alex Schuster
2011-07-21 12:38:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dale
I'd also try other video drivers, like nouveau or nv. I think you did
not do this yet, sorry if I just overlooked it. They may not work as
well as the nvidia-drivers for you, but this way you can rule out the
video drivers, or confirm it has something to do with them. I still
suspect they are the cause, and there is an obscure bug that only
Firefox triggers.
Oh, and have you tried firefox-bin already?
I have not been able to get the nv drivers to work. It has been so long
since I had to use them, it appears I have forgot how to use them. I'm
not sure I have ever used them since I been using Gentoo. I found the
link on the xorg site. It wasn't very useful for me. I do have
xf86-video-nv installed tho. I thought that was it. However, when I
change the driver in xorg.conf to nv, no more GUI. That always worked
in the past. Can you give me a light bulb moment here? ;-) I may be
missing something obvious.
Sorry, no, I had an NVidia card years ago, now I'm an ATI user. When I had
trouble with the nvidia-drivers (I often had, with every kernel update I
feared it would happen again) I simply replaced the "nvidia" by "nv" in the
Drivers section, and all was fine, except for OpenGL speed.
Post by Dale
As for Firefox-bin, I'm not sure that would help Seamonkey. I could try
it but not sure how that would help. Seamonkey would still crash.
Yes, but if firefox-bin would not crash, it might indicate a compiler
problem on your side, or something. Just trying to narrow things. And
there's also seamonkey-bin. But my guess is those will also crash.

Wonko
Dale
2011-07-21 10:54:32 UTC
Permalink
Here we go again. New thread, same problem. I'm compiling info over a
period of time here so bear with me. Info alert:

***@fireball / # emerge --info firefox
Portage 2.2.0_alpha45 (default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop/kde, gcc-4.5.2,
glibc-2.13-r4, 2.6.39-gentoo-r2 x86_64)
=================================================================
System Settings
=================================================================
System uname:
Linux-2.6.39-gentoo-r2-x86_64-AMD_Phenom-tm-_II_X4_955_Processor-with-gentoo-2.0.2
Timestamp of tree: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 01:45:01 +0000
app-shells/bash: 4.1_p9
dev-java/java-config: 2.1.11-r3
dev-lang/python: 2.7.1-r1, 3.1.3-r1
dev-util/cmake: 2.8.4-r1
dev-util/pkgconfig: 0.26
sys-apps/baselayout: 2.0.2
sys-apps/openrc: 0.8.3-r1
sys-apps/sandbox: 2.4
sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.68
sys-devel/automake: 1.9.6-r3, 1.10.3, 1.11.1
sys-devel/binutils: 2.20.1-r1
sys-devel/gcc: 4.4.5, 4.5.2
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.4.1-r1
sys-devel/libtool: 2.2.10
sys-devel/make: 3.82
sys-kernel/linux-headers: 2.6.36.1 (virtual/os-headers)
sys-libs/glibc: 2.13-r4
Repositories: gentoo
Installed sets:
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="amd64"
ACCEPT_LICENSE="*"
CBUILD="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe"
CHOST="x86_64-pc-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/share/config /usr/share/gnupg/qualified.txt
/var/lib/hsqldb"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/ca-certificates.conf /etc/env.d
/etc/env.d/java/ /etc/fonts/fonts.conf /etc/gconf /etc/gentoo-release
/etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/sandbox.d /etc/terminfo"
CXXFLAGS="-march=native -O2 -pipe"
DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles"
EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--with-bdeps y --backtrack=30"
FEATURES="assume-digests binpkg-logs buildpkg distlocks ebuild-locks
fixlafiles fixpackages news parallel-fetch preserve-libs protect-owned
sandbox sfperms strict unknown-features-warn unmerge-logs
unmerge-orphans userfetch"
FFLAGS=""
GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://mirror.mcs.anl.gov/pub/gentoo/
http://gentoo.chem.wisc.edu/gentoo/ http://mirrors.cs.wmich.edu/gentoo
http://www.cyberuse.com/gentoo/ http://mirror.datapipe.net/gentoo
http://gentoo.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/gentoo/
http://chi-10g-1-mirror.fastsoft.net/pub/linux/gentoo/gentoo-distfiles/
http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/gentoo http://gentoo.mirrors.hoobly.com/
http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/gentoo/
http://lug.mtu.edu/gentoo/ http://gentoo.netnitco.net
http://gentoo.osuosl.org/ http://gentoo.mirrors.pair.com/
http://mirrors.rit.edu/gentoo/ http://mirror.iawnet.sandia.gov/gentoo/
http://gentoo.llarian.net/ http://gentoo.mirrors.tds.net/gentoo"
LANG="en_US"
LC_ALL="en_US.UTF8"
LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--as-needed"
LINGUAS="en_US en"
MAKEOPTS="-j6"
PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_CONFIGROOT="/"
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS="--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times
--compress --force --whole-file --delete --stats --timeout=180
--exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local --exclude=/packages"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp"
PORTDIR="/usr/portage"
PORTDIR_OVERLAY=""
SYNC="rsync://rsync21.us.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
USE="3dnow 3dnowext X aac acpi alsa amd64 aml auto-hinter automount
avahi bash-completion berkdb bzip2 cairo cdda cddb cdr chroot cleartype
cli clucene consolekit corefonts cracklib cups curl cxx dbus declarative
dri dvd dvdr emboss encode escreen esd exif fam ffmpeg firefox flac
fortran gdbm gdu gif gimp gkrellm gnutls gphoto2 gpm gtk hbci hddtemp
iconv ipv6 java javascript jbig jpeg jpeg2k justify kde kipi lcms
libnotify libwww logrotate loop-aes mad mdnsresponder-compat melt mmx
mng modules mp3 mp4 mpeg mplayer mudflap multilib mysql ncurses nls nptl
nptlonly nsplugin offensive ofx ogg opengl openmp pam pango parport pcre
pdf perl phonon plasma png policykit ppds ppp pppd python qt3 qt3support
qt4 readline sasl sdl seamonkey semantic-desktop session sift smp spell
sse sse2 ssl startup-notification svg sysfs syslog tcl tcpd threads tiff
tk truetype type1 udev unicode usb vcd vorbis webkit wma wmf x264 xcb
xcomposite xinerama xml xorg xscreensaver xv xvid yahoo zeroconf zlib"
ALSA_CARDS="hda-intel" ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS="adpcm alaw asym copy dmix
dshare dsnoop empty extplug file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat
linear meter mmap_emul mulaw multi null plug rate route share shm
softvol" APACHE2_MODULES="actions alias auth_basic authn_alias
authn_anon authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm authz_default
authz_groupfile authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache cgi
cgid dav dav_fs dav_lock deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter
file_cache filter headers include info log_config logio mem_cache mime
mime_magic negotiation rewrite setenvif speling status unique_id userdir
usertrack vhost_alias" CALLIGRA_FEATURES="braindump flow karbon kexi
kpresenter krita tables words" CAMERAS="canon ptp2" COLLECTD_PLUGINS="df
interface irq load memory rrdtool swap syslog" ELIBC="glibc"
GPSD_PROTOCOLS="ashtech aivdm earthmate evermore fv18 garmin garmintxt
gpsclock itrax mtk3301 nmea ntrip navcom oceanserver oldstyle oncore
rtcm104v2 rtcm104v3 sirf superstar2 timing tsip tripmate tnt ubx"
INPUT_DEVICES="evdev" KERNEL="linux" LCD_DEVICES="bayrad cfontz
cfontz633 glk hd44780 lb216 lcdm001 mtxorb ncurses text" LINGUAS="en_US
en" PHP_TARGETS="php5-3" RUBY_TARGETS="ruby18" USERLAND="GNU"
VIDEO_CARDS="nv nvidia" XTABLES_ADDONS="quota2 psd pknock lscan length2
ipv4options ipset ipp2p iface geoip fuzzy condition tee tarpit sysrq
steal rawnat logmark ipmark dhcpmac delude chaos account"
Unset: CPPFLAGS, CTARGET, INSTALL_MASK, PORTAGE_BUNZIP2_COMMAND,
PORTAGE_COMPRESS, PORTAGE_COMPRESS_FLAGS, PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS

=================================================================
Package Settings
=================================================================

www-client/firefox-3.6.17 was built with the following:
USE="alsa (consolekit) dbus ipc java libnotify (multilib) (policykit)
startup-notification -bindist -custom-cflags -custom-optimization -debug
-gnome -system-sqlite -wifi" LINGUAS="en en_US -af -ar -as -be -bg -bn
-bn_BD -bn_IN -ca -cs -cy -da -de -el -en_GB -eo -es -es_AR -es_CL
-es_ES -es_MX -et -eu -fa -fi -fr -fy -fy_NL -ga -ga_IE -gl -gu -gu_IN
-he -hi -hi_IN -hr -hu -id -is -it -ja -ka -kk -kn -ko -ku -lt -lv -mk
-ml -mr -nb -nb_NO -nl -nn -nn_NO -oc -or -pa -pa_IN -pl -pt -pt_BR
-pt_PT -rm -ro -ru -si -sk -sl -sq -sr -sv -sv_SE -ta -ta_LK -te -th -tr
-uk -vi -zh_CN -zh_TW"
CFLAGS="-march=native -pipe -Wno-return-type -w"
CXXFLAGS="-march=native -pipe -Wno-return-type -w"

***@fireball / #


net-libs/xulrunner-1.9.2.17 was built with the following:
USE="alsa (consolekit) dbus ipc java libnotify (multilib) (policykit)
startup-notification -custom-cflags -custom-optimization -debug -gnome
-system-sqlite -wifi"
CFLAGS="-march=native -pipe -Wno-return-type -w"
CXXFLAGS="-march=native -pipe -Wno-return-type -w"



***@fireball / # uname -r
2.6.39-gentoo-r3
***@fireball / # emerge -vp nvidia-drivers

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild R ~] x11-drivers/nvidia-drivers-275.09.07 USE="acpi gtk
(multilib) -custom-cflags" 0 kB

Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB
***@fireball / #


***@fireball / # equery list *xorg*
* Searching for *xorg* ...
[IP-] [ ] x11-base/xorg-drivers-1.10:0
[IP-] [ ] x11-base/xorg-server-1.10.3:0
***@fireball / #


Some of you may recall this but I'm going to mention it again just in
case. I have tried different kernels, different nvidia drivers,
different xorg, and a clean .firefox directory.

What it does you ask. When I open Firefox, it causes a kernel panic.
This is complete with flashing keyboard lights. What I have noticed.
It seems to do this when it is downloading something. It does this in
both KDE and Fluxbox. I don't think this has anything to do with the
GUI itself but I also don't think it is Firefox itself either. I think
Firefox is accessing something that causes it but not Firefox itself. I
have tried different versions of Firefox and they all do the same thing.

<<<< TIME DELAY HERE >>>>

I been working on gathering information for this for a while. I just
tried something else. I use the download helper plugin in Firefox to
download videos. Also, it crashes when I am downloading videos but that
is about all I use Firefox for. I had a light bulb moment and decided
to see if the same plugin was available for Seamonkey. It was available
so I installed it. It works the same as in Firefox. So, I closed as
much stuff as I could and started downloading a couple good size
videos. After a few minutes, you guessed it, kernel panic followed by a
reboot. To make sure it was not a fluke or something, I repeated the
process and got the same result.

***@fireball / # emerge -pv seamonkey

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild R ] www-client/seamonkey-2.0.14-r1 USE="alsa chatzilla
composer dbus java libnotify mailclient roaming startup-notification
-crypt -custom-cflags -custom-optimization -debug -gnome -ldap
-system-sqlite -wifi" LINGUAS="en en_US -be -ca -cs -de -en_GB -es
-es_AR -es_ES -fi -fr -gl -hu -it -ja -ka -lt -nb -nb_NO -nl -pl -pt
-pt_PT -ru -sk -sv -sv_SE -tr -zh -zh_CN" 0 kB

Total: 1 package (1 reinstall), Size of downloads: 0 kB
***@fireball / #

I have just updated to adobe-flash-11.0.1.60_beta201107131-r1 and still
get the same results. So, my theory that it was not Firefox itself may
be correct since Seamonkey does it too now. Do I suspect flash? Yep, I
do. We all know what a cesspool that thing is. Is there another option
tho for videos that I can try? Do I know it is flash, nope I don't but
it sure does look fishy. Could it be the download helper tool itself?
That is one thing in common between both Seamonkey and Firefox. Just
saying. < shrugs >

I also upgraded my kernel again too. 2.6.39-gentoo-r3 now.

Right now, just look over my info, see if you see anything insane there
and if not, recommend something I can use besides flash. Maybe some
third party thing that works reasonably well. If youtube works, I
should be good to go since the sites I go to are using the same thing,
some even source youtube.

Thanks again.

Dale

:-) :-)
Dale
2011-07-21 16:00:14 UTC
Permalink
Right now, just look over my info, see if you see anything insane there
and if not, recommend something I can use besides flash. Maybe some
third party thing that works reasonably well. If youtube works, I
should be good to go since the sites I go to are using the same thing,
some even source youtube.
About this bit.
Can you play youtube videos without using that download-helper-plugin?
Or is your connection too slow to be able to watch directly without
downloading first?
As an alternative to using the download-helper-plugin, you could try the
$ eix youtube-dl
* net-misc/youtube-dl
Available versions: ~2009.05.23[1] 2010.01.19[1] 2010.10.03 ~2010.10.24
~2010.11.19 2010.12.09 ~2011.01.30
Homepage: http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/
Description: A small command-line program to download videos from
YouTube.
Hope this helps,
Joost
My DSL is just a hair to slow unless it is a low res video. I get about
768Kb down and I swear they make it so it will stop just enough to annoy
the crap out of a person so you will upgrade to a faster package. o_O
Grrrrrr. Anyway, I just download it first then play it with smplayer.
No stopping and all that then. If I don't like it, dump and move on.

I did find that tool once but I'm not real sure how it works. I sort of
browsed around the pages a bit but just fell back to the plugin. May
end up using it tho.

I will try just watching it in a bit and see if it crashes. I can start
it then hit pause and resume after it gets a real good start. That
could lead to something. ;-)

Thanks.

Dale

:-) :-)
Joost Roeleveld
2011-07-21 13:04:57 UTC
Permalink
I been working on gathering information for this for a while. I just
tried something else. I use the download helper plugin in Firefox to
download videos. Also, it crashes when I am downloading videos but that
is about all I use Firefox for. I had a light bulb moment and decided
to see if the same plugin was available for Seamonkey. It was available
so I installed it. It works the same as in Firefox. So, I closed as
much stuff as I could and started downloading a couple good size
videos. After a few minutes, you guessed it, kernel panic followed by a
reboot. To make sure it was not a fluke or something, I repeated the
process and got the same result.
Dale,

I would suspect the download-helper-plugin as that is common in both the
Firefox and Seamonkey crashes.
Can you provide a link to the plugin you use to allow others to test this to
see if it works for them?
--
Joost
Alex Schuster
2011-07-21 11:11:59 UTC
Permalink
Here we go again. New thread, same problem. I'm compiling info over a
[...]
Right now, just look over my info, see if you see anything insane there
and if not, recommend something I can use besides flash. Maybe some
third party thing that works reasonably well. If youtube works, I
should be good to go since the sites I go to are using the same thing,
some even source youtube.
I'd also try other video drivers, like nouveau or nv. I think you did not do
this yet, sorry if I just overlooked it. They may not work as well as the
nvidia-drivers for you, but this way you can rule out the video drivers, or
confirm it has something to do with them. I still suspect they are the
cause, and there is an obscure bug that only Firefox triggers.

Oh, and have you tried firefox-bin already?

Wonko
Joost Roeleveld
2011-07-21 13:07:20 UTC
Permalink
Right now, just look over my info, see if you see anything insane there
and if not, recommend something I can use besides flash. Maybe some
third party thing that works reasonably well. If youtube works, I
should be good to go since the sites I go to are using the same thing,
some even source youtube.
About this bit.
Can you play youtube videos without using that download-helper-plugin?
Or is your connection too slow to be able to watch directly without
downloading first?

As an alternative to using the download-helper-plugin, you could try the
following:

$ eix youtube-dl
* net-misc/youtube-dl
Available versions: ~2009.05.23[1] 2010.01.19[1] 2010.10.03 ~2010.10.24
~2010.11.19 2010.12.09 ~2011.01.30
Homepage: http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/
Description: A small command-line program to download videos from
YouTube.


Hope this helps,

Joost
Joost Roeleveld
2011-07-25 11:05:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Dale
I been working on gathering information for this for a while. I just
tried something else. I use the download helper plugin in Firefox to
download videos. Also, it crashes when I am downloading videos but that
is about all I use Firefox for. I had a light bulb moment and decided
to see if the same plugin was available for Seamonkey. It was available
so I installed it. It works the same as in Firefox. So, I closed as
much stuff as I could and started downloading a couple good size
videos. After a few minutes, you guessed it, kernel panic followed by a
reboot. To make sure it was not a fluke or something, I repeated the
process and got the same result.
Dale,
I would suspect the download-helper-plugin as that is common in both the
Firefox and Seamonkey crashes.
Can you provide a link to the plugin you use to allow others to test
this to see if it works for them?
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-Us/seamonkey/addon/video-downloadhelper/
Looks nice, actually. Even calls "ffmpeg" to convert the videos to different
formats.
Will try it this week and will see if it causes issues for me.
Post by Dale
It's pretty straight forward. I can get a failure by going to youtube
and starting the download of two or three fairly long movies. I usually
middle click and open the video in a new tab. Then start the download
and close the tab. I usually walk off or watch TV while it downloads.
I have the slow DSL here so it takes a bit to download but it usually
crashes in a minute or two. Firefox crashes faster but Seamonkey only
takes a couple minutes or something.
In a new tab, that could be part of it. Do you also get it if you use a single
tab? Eg. open video, start download, then wait?
Post by Dale
If anyone tests this, let me know if it messes up. I'm on amd64
multilib too. That may have some effect.
Same here, so should be an interesting test.
I also use the nvidia-drivers and KDE4, so we're pretty close with the
installed/used software.
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Joost
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